Subject: No Matter How Many Women ( & Wives) The "Prophet Of God" Joseph Smith Had Access To He Still Couldn't Keep "IT" In His Pants (according To Sarah Pratt wife of Orson Pratt) & He Still Frequented The Local Whore Houses...
Date: May 13 17:09
Author:BeenThereDoneThatExMo
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Selected Excerpts From "Under The Banner Of Heaven" By Jon Krakauer, pp. 115-122: (A phenomenal "read" by the way if you haven't yet read it...)

[[[Monogamy seemed to him as it has seemed to many men who have not ceased to love their wives, but who have grown weary of connubial exclusiveness; an intolerably circumscribed way of life. "Whenever I see a pretty woman," Joseph said to a friend, "I have to pray for grace."

Neither Emmas's tears nor her rage were enough to make Joseph monogamous, however, nor were the prevailing mores of the day. He kept falling rapturously in love with women not his wife. And because that rapture was so wholly consuming, and felt so good, it struck him as impossible that God might possibly frown on such a thing. The Lord, it seemed to him, must surely have intended man to know the love of more than one wife or He wouldn't have made the prospect so enticing.

Joseph continued to take plural wives throughout the 1830's in Ohio and Missouri, and he married with even greater frequency in Nauvoo in the early 1840's, but he did whatever was necessary, including bald-faced lying, to conceal his polygamous behaviour; not only from censorious non-Mormons but from all but a select few of his own followers, as well.

Between 1840 and 1844 "God" instructed Joseph to marry some forty women. Most were shocked and revolted when Joseph revealed what the Lord had in mind for them. Several were still pubescent girls, such as fourteen-year-old Helen Mar Kimball. Although she acquiesced, Helen later confided to a friend, "I was young, and they deceived me, by saying the salvation of our whole family depended on it."

It beggars the imagination to consider how Joseph managed to maintain relationaships with forty spouses. Not even this profusion of wives, however, managed to sate his appetite. According to Sarah Pratt, the wife of Mormon Apostle Orson Pratt: "the Prophet Joseph used to frequent houses of ill-fame. Mrs. White, a very pretty and attractive woman, once confessed to me that she made a business of it to 'be hospitable' to the captains of the Mississippi steamboats. She told me that Joseph had made her acquaintance very soon after his arrival in Nauvoo, and that he had visited her dozens of times."

Nauvoo was a closely woven, self-absorbed community that generated a robust flow of gossip. Try as he might it was impossible for Joseph to conceal so much illicit activity from his followers. Joseph repeatedly managed to sweep unsavory charges under the rug before irreparable damage could be inflicted, a talent he shared, of course, with many successful religious and political leaders through the ages.

His denials had always gotten him off the hook before, but his repeated success at wiggling out of tight situations incubated a dangerous hubris, which in turn increased his sexual recklessness, and it all caught up to him shortly. In the spring of 1844 a scandal of Monica Lewinsky-like proportions exploded in Nauvoo, and this time, finally, the conflagration was too big and too hot to be extinguished even by the Prophet's charm.]]]

It's obvious that Hugh Heffner and Bill Clinton have "nothing" on JS.

To this very day my indignation and amazement is still smoldering as I think back and can not get over nor can I believe the hubris and audaciousness of pseudo-inspired Mormon "leaders and authorities" (Bishops, SP's etc.) asking ME, Yes, asking ME, during a Mission interview or a Temple Recommend interview if I am "honest in all my dealings" or if I "am living the law of chastity" considering what the "Prophet of God" did and got away with as mentioned above. If that don't just beat all.

Those no good #$@%@#^&*%%$#$@#%&$%#@$&$'s!!! They are all rotten to the core...and cut from the same cloth.

Now ask me how I really feel...

Subject: I know the feeling. Isn't it obvious that JS and Bill Clinton would have made great roommates at BYU. Talk about being "cut from the same cloth". n/t
Date: May 13 18:05
Author:Right On Bro
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Subject: My Fathers family was filled with the same sick things..
Date: May 13 18:34
Author:BillTheCat
Mail Address:motiveotto@yahoo.com

they were all liars, talking piously in public and acting in disgusting ways in private. The duplicity of this makes me want to vomit. When I read "Under The Banner Of Heaven" that same behavior started with Joseph Smith is still in that church today. Really horrid.

Subject: Re: No Matter How Many Women ( & Wives) The "Prophet Of God" Joseph Smith Had Access To He Still Couldn't Keep "IT" In His Pants (according To Sarah Pratt wife of Orson Pratt) & He Still Frequented The Local Whore Houses...
Date: May 13 18:41
Author:Fanny
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Was that quote from Helen Kimball about being deceived from a good source? I think it's a great one to use but if the only source is a "friend" then TBM's won't even look at it. Especially since Helen defended polygamy so many other times. I am compiling a good list of quotes and statements to use when I explain to my family why I may leave the church. I would love to include that one.

Subject: Does anyone out there have any additional sources or proof about Joseph Smith visiting "houses of ill-repute" I would really like to know more if you could provide source material. Thanks. n/t
Date: May 13 22:29
Author:I Would Really Like To Know More
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Subject: The whorehouse thing is problematic
Date: May 13 21:40
Author:Squid
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Hearsay from an adverse party. It's too bad. I hope we can triangulate that allegation w/ some corroborating evidence.

Subject: Why it doesn't really matter if Joseph hung out at whorehouses or not
Date: May 14 02:01
Author:Tal Bachman
Mail Address:TalBachman@hotmail.com

It doesn't matter, because what already IS known and even (however reluctantly in some cases) acknowedged by the church is enough to raise the most serious questions about him one could imagine. The truth is that it would be BETTER if Joseph had visited prostitutes, rather than destroyed the lives of frightened, confused, trembling minors by powerplaying them into having sex with him.

Everyone, from Mormon to Ex-mormon, ought to keep that in mind. A Nauvoo whore would be a RELIEF, after the sorrows of Emma and Oliver Huntington et al, and the heartbreaking plights of young women denied "eternal" marriage to their one true loves because Joseph claimed them.

At least the prostitutes had made it entirely through puberty! At least they knew what was going on. At least it would have been far more consensual, rather than a naive fourteen year old being pressured to "forge a link between the houses of Joseph and Heber", and who probably only had the faintest idea of what sexual intercourse even consisted of at the time Joseph deflowered her not even fully developed body.

T.

Subject: The Local Whore Houses... The Church also used to set up politicans to BLACKMAIL
Date: May 13 22:21
Author:the church is corrupt
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Being the rightous church they were they also used the local Whore Houses to set up visitng politicans.


Hummm.... has the church also used men to try to set up women.... won't work.... you'll just look like the idiots your are!

Subject: These are the kinds of shenanigans that gave me permission to leave with no guilt, fear, or shame!! Those lying
Date: May 13 22:32
Author:SusieQ#1
Mail Address:sllestodd@aol.com

rascals are not worthy of my respect!

Once I understood, completely, the depth of their debauchery, (in the name of righteousness) I had nothing but contempt for their despicable ways!

Subject: Nice bio of Sarah Pratt in the book MORMON MAVERIKS. A must read for every exmo.(NT)
Date: May 14 00:07
Author:ALL3NEPHITES
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Subject: Under the Banner of Heaven is my favorite expose on Smith n/t
Date: May 14 09:19
Author:ink
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